Mori, PIMs, Pricing and the Business of Software (Was Re: Mac PIMs in General (was NightHawk)
12 12 2007A few days ago, there was a thread on the Macintosh PIMs group that descended into a diatribe against the current state of PIM software and the cost of software. In response, I wrote what turned into a very long, poorly-conceived, and most likely ill-advised response to some of the opinions voiced. Very few quotes are enclosed, as it’s mainly a response, not a rebuttal.
Please forgive what is sure to be a foolish action on my part, but nothing concerning the current state of affairs will improve by actively avoiding public discussion of the issues. None of my comments are an attack on the people whose comments I responded to, particularly db whom I responded to especially. Consider his remarks a proxy for a lot of the “it costs too much” complaints I see on sites like VersionTracker, MacUpdate, iusethis, and elsewhere on the Internet. And it’s with the intent to publically respond to those complaints that I choose to do so here, rather than the Macintosh PIM group’s mailing list. My apologies to the Mac PIMs group, and the rest of the netizens (although there are worse things one should unsee). With that in mind, here is Apokalypse’ contribution to the conversation. Your comments are welcome.
Ted Goranson wrote [Context added so his position is somewhat clearer. His remarks are included as Mori is mentioned. -- AG]
> the value added. Users who know nothing about development somehow
> expect the same, unreasonably low pricing scheme.
>
> These people, for example are why we don’t have Incontrol and
> Infodepot, why we lost MORE. Why Mori was all but lost.
db wrote:
> I’m going to try again (to change this topic ![]()
>
> Ted/Edward,
>
> I appreciate the understanding and constructive disagreement, however
> large or small, though actually I don’t think we really disagree about
> anything substantial, other than pigs flying. I have proof, from the
> state of Maine no less, which is the original home state of Mori and
> still the home of Mori’s original Developer, HogBay Software:
> http://sendbread.com/
>
> Mori got smart and moved to Florida, well before winter set in. I have
> no idea where the pigs went.
db wrote:
> And you expect Mori to get
> it right with a part-time developer.
Since there’s been some mention made of Mori of late, I believe it’s in the community’s best interest for me to stir things up a tad bit more in the hope that by sharing my experience as Mori’s owner/developer, a better understanding of the current state of the Mac software market might help to improve the situation for us as users and businesses.
And I know, db, that you like to constantly talk about Mori’s “original” developer, in a wistful (or rueful) tone, but the truth is Jesse wasn’t developing Mori when I purchased it from him, had lost all interest in continuing development months before, and never wants to touch Mori code again. This isn’t an attempt to be cruel, but to make the point with finality. If anyone has any bugs to report or feature requests they want to make, they’ll have to tell me. I’m the only one who’s responsible for the condition it’s in now, and the only one who’ll be able to make the necessary changes. I’m the one taking Mori into the future. Or to put it into less delicate terms, Mori may once have been Jesse’s little girl, but I’m making her a woman.
The Low-Baller Wins Myth
> There are some folks who will defend M$ pricing, or the price of an
> unlocked iPhone in Germany. That’s OK, but not me.
> If you recall, I am asking for a more modest personal edition price,
> to help the product succeed by increasing market penetration (and
> frankly, user goodwill) in order to make an integrated PIM available
> to more users. I’ll bet that your Mac and it’s apps save you $1000s
> more than they cost if you use them effectively in a work environment.
> But if Apple sold them at a price that more closely approached the
> savings gained by it’s users, users would have revolted and there
> would be no Macs. The Apple IIe saved me a ton of time in college but
> that doesn’t mean I would have been willing or able to pay two or
> three times as much for that option. My strategy is to charge as
> little as I reasonably need to and I’ll keep busy. If some fool wants
> to pay someone more thinking they must be getting a something better.
> Fine. I don’t like working for fools anyway.
> I think their is a marketing possibility that more at lower pricing
> will offset less at higher. Not everyone is a fool.
The problem with your strategy is it fails to account for shortfalls in sales volumes, changes in the market, and other unforeseen events; both corporate and personal. For a lower price to make a difference it has to be substantially lower, and for volume to make up the loss in margin it has to be several times higher. Selling 25% more of a half-off product won’t cut it. And when your target market is the price-conscious, economic conditions which impact their budget also impacts your sales. Wal-mart successfully, though unintentially, demonstrated that for us these past two years.
People spend 50-300% more for an Apple iPod than for anyone else’s portable media player. Not just 20-30%, but up to 300%! That’s two to three times more for a device to play songs or display pictures. The multiple is even higher when you consider the features lacking in an iPod which are available in other players. So you think iPod buyers are fools. I think your opinion that price is the main consideration for consumers is faulty. Or is there some special excuse we give Apple for pricing above the market, instead of “a more modest personal edition price”? (The iPod Shuffle furthers my argument, not yours, as the Shuffle is priced against Apple’s own products, not the rest of the market: it is has even less features.)
When you made that crack about me developing Mori part-time, I was insulted. But then I realized that, in all honesty, I am only developing Mori part-time. I’m also handling web-site duties part-time, which include controlling spam, updating the site software, touching up the databases, writing blog entries, performing backups, and preparing traffic reports. I’m also fielding customer support, whether it’s email, IMs, the fora, or bug/feature tracking. I’m also handling marketing, which includes contacting blog writers, contacting writers and editors in the media, preparing market plans, product literature, artwork, etc. I’m also writing user docs, screencast scripts, tutorials, and the like, in several languages. I might be doing all this, but my development work on Mori itself is, as you say, strictly part-time.
Most software developers in the Mac market are small shops. MicroISVs. Indies. Whatever the term, sometimes it’s a shop of two or three people doing product development. By far, though, the bulk of the product developers today are one-man shops. Somebody working solo. And that solo developer typically doesn’t make enough to support himself on his products’ sales. It usually doesn’t matter because these indies are usually students or employees of another company. Their product is just something they whipped up for their own needs or interests, and they decided to offer it for sale to make a few bucks (just like the Apple story we’re all so fond of).
However, I’m neither a college student nor employed anywhere else. I’ve even turned away contracting offers due to the backlog of development tasks. So I have to question what your beliefs are when I read your crack about my work on Mori as nothing more than part-time in the same paragraph where you complain that Mac software is overpriced, and how small shops can’t afford market research!
A Cowboy [Coder] Isn’t A Landowner
> I think many (not all) of the little one-man shops fail because they
> lack the willingness or ability to see or use the advantages of
> cooperation with others. They sometime simply want to be in charge,
> their own boss, and see cooperation, of course, as giving up control.
> That’s the way it is when you work with others. Unless they have such
> a big hit that allows them to hire others, they’d be far better off
> cooperating with others. Look how many GTD and info management apps we
> have from very small shops. Few have a chance at decent success
> working alone, and especially when competing with the larger shops
> which simply engender more consumer confidence because of their size,
> never mind having more resources to begin with.
Now you’re finally saying things I can almost completely agree with: most indies want to strike out on their own so they can be their own boss. The problem is most lack the chops to do it. Being intelligent in one field, many assume they know what it takes to be successful running a venture entirely on their own. Being socially awkward, many are too untrusting of others to risk venturing with them. Indeed, many realize the likelihood is that any new venture will go belly up in less than five years. Though most entrepreneurs fear personality clashes with potential partners, the most common cause of failure is insufficient resources.
What incentive does one developer have to cooperate with another? to give his source code and a promise to share profits with a competitor? I’ve repeatedly attempted to persuade other developers to work with me, but loved as I am for my winning personality and disarming smile, I’ve been unable to convince them to abandon their products and support mine instead! Crazy, no? Perhaps they need some sort of compensation for their investment in their product and their customers; some security or other evidence of the legitimacy of the deal, and its probability of success. Would having a bankroll improve the likelihood of him joining me so that we “have a chance at decent success”? How do I accumulate this bankroll with your strategy “to charge as little as I reasonably need to and I’ll keep busy”? While being a low-price leader may be a marketing strategy, volume isn’t proof of commercial success. Long-term commercial success is dependent on your money being busier than you.
There are a couple of your comments that undermine your entire “more modest personal edition price, to help the product succeed by increasing market penetration” fallacy. One is, “Unless they have such a big hit…” Unless? So you admit the chance of that happening is slim. And if the chances of having a big hit and the volume that it creates are slim, then prices will have to remain high to stay in business. Also, if you think having a low price will guarantee a big hit, you are guaranteed that a competitor will come along and undermine your sole competitive advantage with an even lower price.
The other comment debunking your assertion is, “…larger shops which simply engender more consumer confidence because of their size, never mind having more resources to begin with.” Without the margins and volume to build up your resources, how do you expect to engender more confidence in consumers?
If you don’t make enough profit with the early adopters of your program, you’ll never last long enough to develop the additional features, user resources, documentation, etc. to be purchased by the mainstream. In addition, your organization will likely implode due to an inability to adequately provide service for your customers.
You probably have a larger selection of PIMs to choose from now than ever before, so why aren’t you satisfied? It’s because they aren’t as powerful or feature-rich as the old ones were. You’d say they lack the quality, or aren’t of the same caliber as the old apps. I’m pointing out that, twenty years later, the apps are substantially less expensive as well; and they don’t get better because the developers can’t afford to invest more development time and money in them!
Road Closed Due to Growth
Do you know what it takes to add that power and those features you long for to the software on the market? It doesn’t take listening to the customer, because customers have been talking about their needs for years. It doesn’t take writing better docs, which people don’t like to read anyway. It doesn’t take promotional discounts or educational versions, which have a limited lifespan in effective marketing.
It takes engineers. Software engineers and time. Time to think about how the current product was architected. Time to think about what features need to be added. Time to think about what features can be added given the current state of the product. Time to design the code to add those features to the product. Time to code the features into the product. Time to test the code. Time to fix the code. Time to redo the steps again and again until it’s ready to be released. Or worse, until they run out of time.
Do you think engineers are given special treatment for all this wonderful code they’re adding? Do real estate developers or hotels put a roof over their head because they’re improving products? Are hospital visits, medical treatment, or even health insurance without a price because we’re indispensable? Do engineers get any food or caffeine of any quantity without charge because of their role in society? Or should they be required to sacrifice their own needs and wants for transportation, entertainment, family, etc. to fulfill some “higher calling”?
Someone who enters the PIM market as a business isn’t looking to scrape enough money to buy himself a shiny new MBP for Xmas. There’s more than just the cost to purchase equipment. Or pay electric bills. Or Internet access. Or to purchase technical books and journals. A business can’t just make enough to cover the salaries of its employees, its legal fees, its taxes, etc. It has to cover the cost to invest in growth: of its products, its corporate infrastructure, and its owners.
Someone has to foot the bill for all these things while time is being spent adding those improvements you want so much, whether it’s a VC, an angel investor, a spouse, family, friends, whatever; and that someone is going to want a return on their investment. You get a lot of turnover in this industry because these would-be entrepreneurs discover the return on their investment just isn’t satisfactory.
A competent software engineer can make at least $75K/year, even as a fresh graduate. For a 2080 hour year, your product has to bring in $36.06 per hour to cover his salary. His salary alone. If you don’t want him to work on development part-time, like I do, you have to pay others to do the marketing, technical writing, artwork, administering servers and websites, the business-administration-type stuff, etc. So, say you as the business owner make a worst-case salary of $80K, and your developer makes $75K per year. So after other operating expenses of $65K, and a 20% profit for the year, a business should bring in $264K. That is for strictly online sales without a marketing program. It excludes marketing expenses such as advertising, sales commissions, packaging, product literature, trade show exhibitions, etc.
That’s $129.513/hr in sales for a company to be comfortably profitable. (Oh, did we forget to deduct the processing fees deducted from sales by the payment processing firm? You can go out of business if you forget these details!) If we don’t make that, there isn’t a point pretending we run a business. And if you don’t have a business standing behind the software you use to manage your information, quit pretending to be surprised when it’s no longer under development, being supported, or that the features you enjoyed on the old packages will ever return in anything new.
Companies are bought and sold. So are product lines. Products with a sufficient revenue stream continue in the market, regardless of their origin. Products that aren’t worth the trouble die; regardless of how loved they were and how missed they’ll be. So if you’re not prepared to spend the money necessary to obtain a solid, powerful package now, then let time take its course. The part-time developer you’re supporting will either get the features added in there eventually, or drop the product for something more rewarding in his life.
Those who cannot learn from PIM history are doomed to re-key their data
Let me explain why there isn’t a strong third-party PIM in the Mac market. Future product development is based on past product development. Whether it’s the profits from past products, or using the codebase of previously engineered products (e.g., Cocoa and Carbon), one product is built upon others. And whenever someone gets the bright idea to write another to-do list or contact manager or agenda application, whether it’s to learn how to develop for the Mac, or because they have more time than money, they have to develop the basic functionality first. Then, they think, “This is so helpful for me, I bet other people can use it too,” so they make it available to others as freeware or shareware, presumably to others who perceive a similar lack in existing apps or possessing a similar lack of funds.
Then, his app begins to find users. Slowly, of course, because it’s new and the majority of people will let others be the early-adopters. But his app will find some users because it sufficiently meets their feature/price requirements. But! its feature set is shallow because he started from scratch. And! there are a few bugs here and there that need to be fixed. And! it doesn’t sync with Apple’s bundled PIMs. And! it lacks support for their phone or pda. He doesn’t have time to add innovative features because he’s too busy trying to catch up. Now it stops being just a hobby and starts to be real work. Then he thinks, I’ve got to get something more out of it. If he feels he can do it, he’ll start charging (more) for it.
Now there are people who don’t mind spending hours in front of a TV set, playing video games, or downloading and reading stuff off the Internet. It’s something to occupy their time. A way to unwind. Maybe someone likes to tinker with cars, spending months to strip down a junked Mustang and rebuild it into a street monster. It’s a nice way for him to while away the days. Perhaps when he’s finished he’ll just cruise the strip in it. Maybe he’ll street race. Maybe he’ll sell it off and use some of the money to buy another clunker and start over again.
Regardless of the number of times he rebuilds cars for fun, his mindset changes when he begins to treat it as more than just a hobby. His goals will be different. The decisions he makes will take on a whole new importance, and even the tools and processes he uses will have changed.
It’s the same way with software development: you can afford to waste time and money on it when it’s just for kicks. But when it competes with the rest of your life, when a child becomes ill, your spouse loses a job, or your kids are in college, those things that occupied your time are re-evaluated; and you decide whether or not it needs to be treated more seriously, and how committed you are to its success.
And businesses that were profitable in this market re-evaluate their returns due to the competition. They consider whether branching out to other product lines or other platforms will be more rewarding. Developers, large and small, let sales coast without active development. Eventually, their products are outdated, or the platform is (like Mac OS 9 or Tiger). Then some developer decides there’s no to-do list or contact manager or agenda app that matches his feature/price requirements, so he writes one from scratch…
And that is why the PIM market, indeed, the Mac software market in general, is so poor today, and only a few categories have clear market leaders.
As far as PIM goes, it’s obviously an inadequate term for the types of products that fit in that category. There are calendars, to-do lists, project planners, address books, outliners, and on and on, but Mori is specifically a digital notebook app. And while users and developers can add agenda, contact management, GTD, file management or even wordprocessing and spreadsheet functionality through the use of scripts and plug-ins, it doesn’t come with the features typical of those applications. In fact, a lot of the design work I’ve been doing over the past couple of months has been to reduce the excess behavior in Mori and recast its feature set with an eye towards note taking and organizing superiority. Any additional behaviors will have to be the result of plugins. This means the plugin API will be more sophisticated though.
The point is, I’m not going to add features to Mori to handle all PIM needs. And I’m not going to cater to the notetaking needs of every Mac owner out there. Apokalypse will be focusing on the professionals who understand the value of their time, and demand software that delivers productivity gains that make them look good. SOHO users. It isn’t that I don’t appreciate everyone else, but I can’t afford to help everyone else, and the quality of the products will suffer badly. This is one reason why I’ve continued Jesse’s practice of sending prospects to other products, you can’t be all things to all people.
So, as a user of PIM products, figure out what your needs are. If you’re just looking to keep a list of your friends and family members’ contact info, track class activities or have the occasional sticky, the iApps bundled with the Mac should be enough. If your needs are more sophisticated and your time is a resource you use to produce money, find the software that will maximize your productive use of time in managing your tasks, contacts, info, etc. and purchase it. Even at minimum wage rates, you should recoup your investment within the first week!
If you want engineers and small businesses in general, and me in particular, to improve the quality of your life, you’re going to have to improve the quality of mine. How can we maintain a continuing relationship otherwise?






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I hope from the brief quote that readers here don’t get the wrong impression of my post. DB (someone who hides behind the handle “dancingbrook”) has been pontificating for some time on a list he created, apparently for that purpose. He wants everything for nothing, and a very specific everything. He annoyed me enough to post, and I invite readers to read my entire letter.
I am engaged in development that is a bit like this and write the outliner column for ATPO.com
I do think if Jesse had charged more, it is likely that he would have made nearly as many sales and been able to make a living of it. I wish you success, Alfonso. Mori is a solid beginning. I hope the professionals you have in mind reward the effort accordingly. And that some among us can counter the cheap, anonymous loudmouths out there.
I’m not sure it is fair for you to selectively take parts from the MacPIM group and critique them here, but I guess it’s not illegal. Just as you’ve taken those parts out of context here, it seems you’ve also selectively picked info and used this to reach vastly different conclusions about even Apple’s marketing strategy and the quality of their products than I would. The same holds true for the Mac software market in general.
You’ve misunderstood and misrepresented my comments, my intent, and my thoughts about both Mori, MacPIMS and much else. Bearing in mind you are a developer, and it appears a one man shop, (and thank all of you for trying), we have to take into account what might motivate your perspective, albeit just as valid as any other.
The vagueness of your conclusion doesn’t (specifically or otherwise) answer any question that’s being asked or even pondered; I don’t think anyone is suggesting you or any developer has to work for free. But we all get to decide and suggest what we think is fair and reasonable, and the wise developer will listen even if they don’t agree.
re Mori: I have to say I haven’t looked for it once it headed south. I can’t think of a single app that got better after being sold to something other than a company with much larger resources. That may not be completely true, but I suspect many developers hope to sell their apps to (and maybe even get hired by) a company with deep pockets. That’s what happened with Claris/Palm Organizer, and even that faded away. I can tell you one thing though; it never makes sense for a company (large or small) to fight with potential customers, or most anyone for that matter. Certainly it make no sense to start out by referring to the comments on the MacPIM site as a “diatribe”. See the difference between how NOW and Chronos handles open discussion; there is a huge difference, and a huge lesson to learned there. Maybe the choice of the term “Apokalypse” [sp] for the name of a software company says something more than you intended.
I run a family-owned business in the retail sales industry in the Asian-Pacific region where bartering is not uncommon. I know what it’s like to try to put food on the table and provide for my family. I also understand the need to invest in a business.
I also have several customers that think it’s OK for me to sell items to them at “below cost prices” because that ensures their loyalty and they will “keep coming back.” They never understood that if they don’t pay a fair price that we can both agree on then the seller and the consumer will both win. I can invest some of the money back into the business and provide newer and better services. These consumers have only thought of themselves and don’t want to invest back into the business. If they think it’s a fair price, they will buy my products/services and keep coming back.
db had mentioned that Stone Studio offered free lifetime upgrades. That’s great for the consumer! I must admit that! But not all businesses can survive on that business model! That would be like asking my car dealer to give me a free lifetime upgrade just because I bought the 1997 edition of his car and I should get free upgrades! Or asking Apple Computers that I bought the 1984 Mac Plus and should get a free Mac everytime Apple released a new one!
I’m not sure what db’s background is but his “marketing” plan doesn’t appear to be that of someone who is an entrepreneur or business owner. His viewpoint is from the consumer’s side. It is a valid point for him to fight for the consumer’s side but it’s plain to see that he didn’t factor in the vendor’s side of things.
I have also worked on database programming with 4th Dimension databases in a previous life. I personally know the pain and anguish of developing customized solutions and how everybody thinks it’s as easy as apple pie. My time is short. I would gladly pay someone else for their work so that I don’t have to re-invent the wheel every time.
Yes, I’m fairly stunned but not surprised that some people don’t understand the economics of things and never sees things from the vendor’s side.
Thank you for this blog. I appreciate seeing someone finally vocalizing the frustrations of a vendor like myself who gets tired of customers asking for pipe dreams.
@ted I apologize if the snippet failed to indicate that you were not supportive of unreasonably priced software. I expanded it during one of my rewrites when I felt it might not be understood. I apologize if your original message wasn’t adequately conveyed.
I’m honored you visited my blog. I’m mindful of your comprehensive articles when considering additional features for Mori. (They’re also very helpful when doing competitive analysis.)
@db It’s unfortunate that you’re offended by your comments and my response to them. Taking your remarks out of context is only a problem if the meaning is changed. As I stated at the start of my entry, I felt bringing the discussion to a broader audience was important as the topic of software pricing is still divisive, as demonstrated in the subject of my next post, not to criticize you personally.
The difference between NOW and Chronos, and me in dealing with an uncomfortable subject is I choose to face it.
Too often, people avoid the difficult, choosing instead to leave in a huff or argue over the trivial. As members of a community, we have to learn how to get along with each other in spite of our differences. Disagreements shouldn’t keep us from understanding each other at more than a superficial level.
So please, feel free to demonstrate where my conclusions are faulty. That is the purpose of this site: not to serve as a broadcast vehicle where I push some PR to the community, but for us to engage in discussions which will help the community as a whole thrive. I think I remember being wrong before in my life. I welcome the opportunity to relive the experience.
@Wilson Thank you for your comments. I’ve been guilty of being similarly-minded in the past, complaining that some product couldn’t have cost more than $20 while conveniently ignoring the cost to manufacture and distribute it. Hopefully, as the economy continues to virtualize and more of the workforce becomes independent, they’ll understand the principles of business that drives so much of the underlying cost. I wish you well in your business.
I am a self-employed small business owner. My orientation is to offer the lowest reasonable price I can (vs the highest price I can get away with) believing that I’ll generate a lot more good karma, and keep busy in good times and bad. Google has a business model that I (mostly) admire. As does Craigslist.
Software is to hardware as wood is to oil.
It is a hell of a lot easier (and vastly less expensive) to upgrade one application and distribute it to millions of users, than it is to upgrade millions of computers or cars or whatever. Indeed, “some people don’t understand” that obviously, there is more than one “economic of things”. It is often the man that has or makes a lot of money, or wants to make a lot of money, that doesn’t question the cost of things. I’d suggest guilt by association.
@db Google and Craigslist sell advertising. That’s how their services are subsidized for regular users: they’re actually selling access to the users’ eyeballs to advertisers. Do your products carry advertising ala Google or NASCAR?
I’m not sure how the software:hardware wood:oil analogy works out considering hardware doesn’t come out of software, please educate me.
Upgrading and distributing one application are two different things. Yes, the reproduction cost to distribute apps are low, especially online. But since applications aren’t “upgraded” on an assembly-line, it’s much like building a Rolls Royce. Except you don’t have any blueprints or design plans from which to build it; and every part must be hand-crafted, and often thrown away whenever the customer’s requirements are changed; and the roads it’s to drive on are repaired or expanded; and the fuel that powers it is reformulated. I take it back. Building a Rolls isn’t anywhere as complicated as writing an app!
Of all the Google apps, only Gmail has advertising, and only if you use it through a browser (vs in a Mail app (usually free)). So advertising is just one way Googles survives.
Craigslist sells very little advertising (eg apts in NYC), but is mostly free (I’m not renting an apt in NYC). The owner refuses to sell though it is worth millions, if not billions, and he could of course charge for a lot more advertising than he does now. The CEO is a socialist or communist or something like that.
Does oil come from wood now?? Software and wood is relatively easy to replace, compared to hardware and oil.
Actually building and selling software is easier than building on an assembly line. Once you design one, essentially all you have to do is let the computer make/distribute as many copies as you want at almost no cost; no unionized workers or parts manufacturers to wait for. If you don’t have blueprints or plans when you design apps, I’d say you need to work on your business and programming skills (what apps did you say you wrote?). Or looking at it another way, in software once you finish the “design” there is almost nothing left to do. I’m sure the folks at RollsRoyce would love it if they could build one and the rest could just be downloaded after they posted it to a server.
If writing an app is more complicated than “building a Rolls” (whatever that means), then I guess my point about one-man shops is more true than even I imagined.
Enough now. You pretend to want discussion, but that requires a lot more than what you seem to offer.
Best of luck.
Mr. db
ahh db… “small business owner” … NOT a software developer, but damn you think you know their world better than them…
@db You really don’t understand Google business model. Google’s revenue primarily comes from advertising, through its AdSense network of content providers and its various web applications (e.g., Google Search, Google Maps, etc.) That subsidizes the cost of developing new apps through which they then sell advertising as well.
For the three months which ended with September 2007, Google claims to have spent $548.7 million dollars “primarily of compensation and related costs for personnel responsible for the research and development of new products and services, as well as significant improvements to existing products and services”. Their income from advertising alone for that same time period was $4,189.5 million, or over $4 billion. Three months alone. 65% of that money came from their own websites, those apps that you think they give away for free. That’s why the apps seem to be free. The non-advertising income they got for the same period totaled $41 million dollars. That means nearly 99% of the money they made in three months came from advertising, which can’t be categorized as “just one way Google survives”.
Regardless of how little Craigslist charges for its advertising (both job listings and NYC apts), that is the vehicle through which it produces income. Also, its sole product is the listing service and forums, so they don’t need to invest in development as much as software publishers do.
You didn’t know oil is produced from wood? If you meant petroleum, then no. But there are a large number of companies that produce wood-based oils for use in medicine, furnishings, cosmetics, industrial processes, etc.
If you claim, “Actually building and selling software is easier than building on an assembly line.” then back it up with facts. The difficulty with “Once you design one”, is actually finishing the product.
The cost to develop and operate software has exceeded hardware for over 30 years. Here’s what Google’s Luiz André Barroso has to say about it, “Often the major component of TCO for commercial deployments is software.”
In Design for Trustworthy Software: Tools, Techniques, and Methodology of Developing Robust Software, Authors Bijay K. Jayaswal and Peter C. Patton state, “It is usually conceded that it costs ten times as much to prepare (or “bulletproof”) an enterprise application for the marketplace as it costs to get it running in the “lab.” It costs another factor of 2 from that point to market a software package to the break-even point. The high cost of software development in both time and dollars, not to mention political or career costs (software development is often referred to as an “electropolitical” problem, and a high-risk project as a “death march”), has encouraged the rise of the third-party application software industry and its many vendors. Our experience with leading both in-house and third-party vendor enterprise software development indicates that the cost of maintaining a software system over its typical five-year life cycle is equal to its original development cost.”
Don’t complain about pretenses here. You don’t bring facts to the discussion.
Didn’t follow all this. I get the impression that where Jesse was pretty laid back (is fickle a bad word in English?), you are a bit tightly wound. A personal rule I’m breaking right now: late at night, after sitting alone in front of the screen for too long, don’t post/mail *anything*. Saves time since the next morning I usually can’t be bothered to write half of it.
Yes, I’d agree Jesse is more laid-back, but fickle isn’t a word you’d associate with that demeanor nor with him (nor does it have a positive connotation, as you perceived). However, if you misplaced the comma I’d say you were two for two on your verdicts.
(As an aside, we really need some non-cutesy markers to indicate moods for those whose sense of humor requires use of a blunt instrument.)
You see, personal rules serve their purpose. But as in all rules, they must be in service to the humanity they were constructed for, and not the other way around. (
To the effect that I’m trying to spend less time properly constructing my communications where they cease to beI’m trying to write more off-the-cuff, before the message gets stale.)Well, I hope db’s philosophy of offering the lowest reasonable he can offer works for him in his business. A perfectly reasonable price point for a vendor may be considered perfectly outrageous to the client. Like I said, I’d like to meet in the middle and offer the service that the customer wants. If he wants a $10 solution, I’ll give him a $10 solution. If he wants Of course it’s hard to ask for a bottle of champagne when your wallet can only buy a bottle of beer.
The lowest price doesn’t always wins. I’ve seen too many businesses collapse ‘cuz they tried to undercut themselves and the competition to the point of failure.
The lowest price point for the consumer may not work for many situations.
I sometimes don’t trust the lowest price point. If my wife saw me buy a $30 ring that was marketed as diamonds, she’d probably kill me ‘cuz it’s too good to be true. I mean, how much can a stupid rock such as diamonds cost?
It’s all about what the market can bear. If the market is willing to pay $XX for a product and it sells well then that’s where the point is.
I think BMW and Lexus vehicles are outrageously priced but I perfectly understand when some people feel it is worth every damn penny.
I have my iPod and personally think it was worth every penny. I have friends who think I’m crazy for overpaying for a portable media player when there are cheaper substitutes.
So price isn’t always the leading way to get “mass market penetration.”